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Is Jesus a Muslim Prophet(a Christain vs Muslim Dialogue)

28 Feb

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Here is a conversation between a Muslim and Christain debating on the topic
‘Is Jesus a Muslim Prophet ?’

Taoheed Muritala
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N THE NAME OF ALLAH,THE GRACIOUS THE MERCIFUL.IS JESUS A MUSLIM PROPHET?INTRODUCTION.ALL PRAISE IS TO ALLAH,TO WHOM ALL DIGNITY,HONOUR AND GLORY ARE DUE,HE HAS NO EQUAL,HE BEGETS NOT,NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.IN THE BEGINNING,HUMAN BEING ARE WORSHIPPING ALLAH ALONE UNTIL LATER THAT SHAITAN CAUSE PEOPLE TO JOIN OTHERS IN WORSHIP ALONG WITH ALLAH. EVER SINCE PEOPLE INNOVATED THE DOGMA OF JOINING PARTNERS WITH ALLAH IN WORSHIP,ALLAH HAD BEEN SENDING PROPHETS AND MESSENGERS IN ORDER TO INVITE PEOPLE TO THE WORSHIP OF ALLAH ALONE AND BRING THEM OUT OF DARKNESS OF POLYTHEISM INTO THE LIGHT OF MONOTHEISM.ALL PROPHETS PREACHED BELIEF IN ONENESS OF ALLAH.”AND VERILY, WE HAVE SENT AMONG EVERY COMMUNITY,NATION A MESSENGER,PROCLAIMING:WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE AND AVOID ALL FALSE DEITIES”QUR’AN16 V 36

Korede Olawoyin
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Now Taoheed Muritala who is a Muslim and what are the Characteristic of a Muslim? We want to know if Jesus fit into this?

Taoheed Muritala
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PROPHETS IN ISLAM.A PROPHET IN ISLAM IS THE PERSON RAISED BY ALLAH AMONG A COMMUNITY OR A NATION THAT WILL INVITE PEOPLE TO WORSHIP OF ALLAH ALONE AND BRING PEOPLE OUT OF DARKNESS OF POLYTHEISM INTO THE LIGHT OF MONOTHEISM.HENCE,ALL PROPHETS PREACHED BELIEF IN ONENESS OF ALLAH AND AVOID OF ALL FALSE DEITIES.

Korede Olawoyin
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Alright, according to ur definition, is Adam a prophet? before we descend on Jesus..

Taoheed Muritala
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A muslim is a person that submit totally to the will of Almighty Allah.Features of a muslim.
1.Adherence to the commandments of Allah.
2. Relent solely on Allah
3. Seeking from Allah only
4. Abstaining from donts of Allah.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala I am on the rules, there is a FAULT with ur statement and I will not allow it to go noticed… anyways, I will leave that aside..Now, can we look up the characteristic u gave and see if Jesus fit in?

Taoheed Muritala
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Yes Jesus fit in all ramification from Qur’an and authentic sayings and actions of Jesus in the Bible as follows.Jesus Preached Monotheism….’ O children of Isreal! Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily,whosoever partner with Allah in worship,then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him,and fire shall be his abode.And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers. Q5:72″And this life is eternal,that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent”John 17:3.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala even though the Characteristics u brought here are ur own formulation without evidence from the Qur’an or Hadith, here is a more standard Characteristic of a Muslim according to ur Hadith:Narrated By Ibn ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said: Islam is based on (the following) five (principles):
1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.
2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
3. To pay ZAKAT. (i.e. obligatory charity)
4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
[Sahih Bukhari Vol 1, Number 7]

Let me start with the verse of the Qur’an that u mentioned:…’ O children of Isreal! Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily,whosoever partner with Allah in worship,then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him,and fire shall be his abode.And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers. Q5:72

How can Jesus call Allah his Lord when Jesus CONTRADICT the laws and commandment of Allah?For instance, Allah said that Muslim men will have sex in his Paradise [Quran 3:15][Qur’an 78:33]And Jesus condemn such act in Matthew 22:30.
.HOW THEN IS JESUS ALLAH’S SERVANT?….how is he a Muslim PROPHET

Taoheed Muritala
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Jesus depend and praying to Allah alone…. Isa (Jesus) son of Mary, said :”O Allah, our Lord! Send us from the heaven a table spread with food that there may be for us…Q5V114.”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,saying, ‘Eli Eli, lama sabachthani?(My God,My God,why hast thou forsaken me?)Matthew 27:46.

Korede Olawoyin
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Secondly, u mentioned the Gospel of John, I am very much aware that u did not read that verse before posting it, if u do, u will see how it exposes Islam:We read:“And this life is eternal,that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent”John 17:3———————According to this verse, to attain salvation, there is no NEED to believe in Muhammed! Just believe in Jesus and the Father is enough to grant u salvation.Again I asked, how is this an evidence that Jesus is a Muslim?

Taoheed Muritala
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Then,which God is Jesus is reffering to as ONLY TRUE GOD?has Jesus not declared himself as Prophet by saying and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent?

korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala remember that the topic is not: IS JESUS A PROPHET OR NOT…it is IS JESUS A MUSLIM PROPHET?
you said Jesus prayed to Allah, that’s another BIG LIE..How do the Muslims prays? do Muslims pray the way Jesus CRIED on the cross, is that the way Allah taught the Muslims to PRAY?It is very clear that Jesus ain’t praying to Allah, Allah does not ask Muslims to SHOUT to him when praying..

Now, Taoheed Muritala, if Jesus is a Muslim, how come he did not pay Zakat as outline by the Hadith?

Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,be a professional in analysis.Rules changes from one Prophet to another.The basic feature of a muslim is the total submission to the will of Almighty Allah and we can see that as a Prophet,Jesus proclaimed ONLY TRUE GOD and proclaimed been sent by this ONLY TRUE GOD.IS JESUS LYING ABOUT HIMSELF?

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Hmm.. interesting CONFESSION:”Rules changes from one Prophet to another”Can everybody see this?…Taoheed Muritala where is the evidence for this statement?..and who change the RULES?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede?Cain and Abel made sacrifice while sacrifice is a way of worshipping Allah.Jacob make convenat when convenant is a way of worshipping Allah.David,Solomon,Moses and Jesus makes Prayers when it is only Prayer is the way of worshipping Allah.The commonest features is the confirmation of ONLY TRUE GOD and total submission to His will.And this is what Jesus did,so Jesus is a Muslim Prophet from Qur’an and direct statements and actions of Jesus from the Bible.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala u are talking about things u know NOT…——————-“Cain and Abel made sacrifice while sacrifice is a way of worshipping Allah.”——————–And where did u get this FROM?…. definitely not from the Bible.

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede, answer this simple question?In Nigeria,from Azikwe to Jonathan is there difference in their functions and roles?

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Interesting concept, the onus is on u to back up your claim from the Qur’an, u are the one that said it, u don’t expect me to DEFEND it for you…do you?

Taoheed Muritala WHEN DID THE RULES changed and who changed it??Evidence is what we want.

If Jesus is a Muslim Prophet, why didn’t he perform Hajj?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,be sincere and answers my questions.
John 17:3 has settled the issue.1.Jesus declared himself as a Prophet(by saying and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent)
2. Jesus declared oneness of Allah by saying ONLY TRUE GOD.
3.jesus stated the mission of Muslim Prophet by saying “they might know Thee,the ONLY TRUE GOD”
4.jesus informed us that eternal life is with those that know ONLY TRUE GOD.
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHUAKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala you have just CONTRADICTED urself, did Jesus called tell u that you should believe in Muhammed and Allah to be saved according to the verse?Jesus said that u should believe in him and the Father, there is no NEED for Muhammed in the plan of salvation

Here is the equation of the statement of Jesus according to the verse u quoted:
FATHER + JESUS – MUHAMMED = ETERNAL LIFE

Whereas, the Muslim creed is:
ALLAH + MUHAMMED – OTHER PROPHET = ETERNAL LIFE.

Can you see the difference?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,if you can not answer that simple question,here is the answer.They all has the same roles and functions to make the nation grow and stabilize but with different constituition either by addition or substraction or modification but the bottomline is the same likewise the laws from Allah is being modify by Himself from Adam to Muhammad but the bottomline is worshipping of Allah(ONLY TRUE GOD) and avoidance of all false deities.Korede,kindly go through with unsentiment mind and respond well as it is almost time for questions and answers

Caution!,stop lying!no Father in the verse but ONLY TRUE GOD.OPEN YOUR eyes and MIND

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Let me get this debunked right away, you asked me:
—————————-“Korede, answer this simple question?In Nigeria,from Azikwe to Jonathan is there difference in their functions and roles?”—————————
Incase you are not aware, there a something called a CONSTITUTION that guides every leader that assume power. Now, there may be constitutional review times…now, if want to use that as an excuse, u will have a serious problem…we will then ask:DOES ALLAH REVIEW THE QUR’AN ALSO TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPHETS?U have no point there…

You said again:————“Caution!,stop lying!no Father in the verse but ONLY TRUE GOD.OPEN YOUR eyes and MIND”————-
I can’t really laugh hearing this, did u say Father was not mentioned?READ verse 1 and 2 of the chapter of John 17 u quoted:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.DO YOU NOW SEE HE IS REFERRING TO GOD AS TE FATHER?Another of ur lie DEBUNKED!

From that verse goes another question, if Jesus was INDEED a Muslim prophet, why did he call God father?Do Muslims call Allah FATHER?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,stop lying.
In Islam there is no disparity among all the Prophets as the six articles of authentic faith are;
Belief in Allah
Belief in His Prophets and Messengers
Belief in Angels
Belief in His Books
Belief in the day of Judgement
Belief in Destiny.
We believe in all Prophets but the message of Muhammad is for this generation till end time
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We believe in all Books but Qur’an is the guidance for us as all the needed Informations from past books are in the Qur’an.All praises is for Allah at the end as I had established that Jesus is a Muslim Prophet from the Qur’an and authentic statements and actions of Jesus from the Bible.

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala that is why debate like this is good, u will learn more about ur religion.You said Allah does not make disparity among the prophets, that another LIE:
“Those Messengers! We PREFERRED some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed – some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allah does what He likes. [Qur’an 2 :253]Your Allah said he PREFERRED SOME MESSENGER to others. This show u don’t even know your book

Again, you said u believed in ALL the prophet…that’s another HOAX..Do you believe in Jeremiah, Isaiah, Obadiah and Malachi?

Taoheed Muritala it is very CLEAR from this discuss that Jesus was NEVER a Muslim Prophet…

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede? Stop diversion let us be on terrain as agreed upon.bring facts not diversion.Pick another day and topic for all those side attraction

To be continued

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Questions and answers between me and my muslim friend

16 Oct

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Moro Med :

I won’t have time to be honest with you. But we can all the same talk as time goes by. Anyway can you answer the ff questions
1. Whats the old testament
2. What’s the new testament
3. What’s the bible?
4. Who is jesus ?
5. What’s the trinity? 6. Why are versions of bible different from one version e.g saint James compared to other version. Let’s start with answers to these questions and please factual answers with quotations from the bible where appropriate. If you have any issues about Islam , send them and I will address it?

muzzafar :
But as you are waiting for my own answers I will also like you to answer mine
(1)
– why do we see up to 7 or more different versions of al-Qur’an?
(2)
– if the Qur’an is the word of God what do we need the Hadiths for?
(3)
-How do we know the weak and the strong Hadiths?
(4)
– from what we learn from these hadiths I found out that Muhammad was recorded as a Murderer and a marauder my question is If muhammad was really all these thingsWhy will God send an Unholy and cruel man like muhammad to be a prophet and an example for the world?

back to your questions(ill answer you one by one)
1. Whats the old testament?
my answer:

A testament can be described as , something that gives a clear explanation about something

In relation to the biblical testaments the first or old testament is that part of the Holy Bible that explains the covenant that God made with Man and how Man broke it
And its major teaching is that the soul that commits sin must dieezk18:20

And because all men have sinned and by the law all Men are condemned
God in his love promised to make a new covenant (grace)
jeremiah31:31-34

2. What’s the new testament?
my answer:
The new testament is the explanation of the fulfillment of all the promises made by God in the old testament.

We learn from the Old testament part of the Bible that all Men have sinned and by right all men are supposed to die for their sin
But God in his love having this willingness to save men could not change his wordpsalm138:2
Which teaches that the soul that sinneth shall die ezk 18:20
So
For God to save man there must be someone to pay the price(which is to take the place of man) and that person must
be
sin less , a human without biological father(I mean born of a virgin without physical pro creation)
and willing to do it

(I EXPLAIN)
The logic in this is that
(A)
if he is sin full he will be disqualified because he also will need to pay his own price
But

If the person is sin less he is qualified to pay the price for the sin full
(B)
He must be a human being because he is sacrificing himself for them
But he must not be a biological son of any man
Because if he is a biological son of a man
he will be disqualified to sacrifice for Man
Because the Bible teaches that the children shall not be put to death because of the sin of the father ezk18:20
(C)
He must be willing to do the will of God(submission to God’s will)
The new testament explains how God fulfilled all the promises by the birth of this qualified man
And the fulfillment of Gods promises and his salvation plan by his Death and resurrection
The new testament gives us a complete explanation and a final understanding of God’s grace
The new testament is in the Holy Bible from Mathew to Revelation

4. Who is jesus ?
Answer:

To understand who Jesus is we must first note that Jesus himself testified that it will only take God’s spirit for a mortal Man to know who he is mathew16:17-19

FACTS ABOUT JESUS

Jesus is the only Man in the Bible referred to as the ‘Arm of God’isa53:1

Jesus is the only Man in the Bible referred to as the ‘Word of God’john1:1-6

Jesus is the only one in the Bible referred to as the ‘Beginning and the end’ revelation1:8

These are just some few among the unciountable numbers of the unique descriptions that’s being used to describe Jesus

On my understanding I will teach that
The most important thing to know and believe about Jesus ,is that he (Jesus) is the
only man recorded in all the holy books as sin less and he was also the only man referred to; in the Bible as the Savior of Man mathew1:21

So in conclusion I say- Jesus is the Savior of Man

5. What’s the trinity?
Answer:
Trinity (in christain doctrine)
‘three different manifestations of God
are one’.

The Trinity expresses the
belief that God is one Being known to be made up
of three distinct Personalities that exist in
co-equal essence and co-eternal
communion as the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit.
first timothy 3:16
You must note
That understanding the concept of Trinity is not the p requisite to make heaven
The most important doctrine of Christainity is :accepting Jesus as Savior
In summary-
Trinity is the three manifestations of God
first timothy3:16

Finally

6. Why are versions of bible different from one version e.g king James compared to other version?
Answer:
I am answering this question because I assume that you really want to learn

The king James Bible which you mentioned is an English translation of the Bible
You see the Bible was not written in English so it was translated to all the existing languages so that all of Mankind irrespective of the race ,tribe or tounge will have opportunity to read and understand the word of God in their Native Languagemathew 24:14 as commanded by God

It is true that there exists slight differences in these translations

And this differences can be blamed on the different belief/use of words amongst the different translators
But the Bible remains intact
For a Bible scholar to get the real understanding of the Bible , s/he is Advised to read with different translations so as to get the accurate understanding
A point to note is that an individual no matter how wise can never understand the Bible unless God’s spirit is Involvedephesians3:5

I WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE.