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Is Jesus a Muslim Prophet(a Christain vs Muslim Dialogue)

28 Feb

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Here is a conversation between a Muslim and Christain debating on the topic
‘Is Jesus a Muslim Prophet ?’

Taoheed Muritala
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N THE NAME OF ALLAH,THE GRACIOUS THE MERCIFUL.IS JESUS A MUSLIM PROPHET?INTRODUCTION.ALL PRAISE IS TO ALLAH,TO WHOM ALL DIGNITY,HONOUR AND GLORY ARE DUE,HE HAS NO EQUAL,HE BEGETS NOT,NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.IN THE BEGINNING,HUMAN BEING ARE WORSHIPPING ALLAH ALONE UNTIL LATER THAT SHAITAN CAUSE PEOPLE TO JOIN OTHERS IN WORSHIP ALONG WITH ALLAH. EVER SINCE PEOPLE INNOVATED THE DOGMA OF JOINING PARTNERS WITH ALLAH IN WORSHIP,ALLAH HAD BEEN SENDING PROPHETS AND MESSENGERS IN ORDER TO INVITE PEOPLE TO THE WORSHIP OF ALLAH ALONE AND BRING THEM OUT OF DARKNESS OF POLYTHEISM INTO THE LIGHT OF MONOTHEISM.ALL PROPHETS PREACHED BELIEF IN ONENESS OF ALLAH.”AND VERILY, WE HAVE SENT AMONG EVERY COMMUNITY,NATION A MESSENGER,PROCLAIMING:WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE AND AVOID ALL FALSE DEITIES”QUR’AN16 V 36

Korede Olawoyin
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Now Taoheed Muritala who is a Muslim and what are the Characteristic of a Muslim? We want to know if Jesus fit into this?

Taoheed Muritala
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PROPHETS IN ISLAM.A PROPHET IN ISLAM IS THE PERSON RAISED BY ALLAH AMONG A COMMUNITY OR A NATION THAT WILL INVITE PEOPLE TO WORSHIP OF ALLAH ALONE AND BRING PEOPLE OUT OF DARKNESS OF POLYTHEISM INTO THE LIGHT OF MONOTHEISM.HENCE,ALL PROPHETS PREACHED BELIEF IN ONENESS OF ALLAH AND AVOID OF ALL FALSE DEITIES.

Korede Olawoyin
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Alright, according to ur definition, is Adam a prophet? before we descend on Jesus..

Taoheed Muritala
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A muslim is a person that submit totally to the will of Almighty Allah.Features of a muslim.
1.Adherence to the commandments of Allah.
2. Relent solely on Allah
3. Seeking from Allah only
4. Abstaining from donts of Allah.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala I am on the rules, there is a FAULT with ur statement and I will not allow it to go noticed… anyways, I will leave that aside..Now, can we look up the characteristic u gave and see if Jesus fit in?

Taoheed Muritala
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Yes Jesus fit in all ramification from Qur’an and authentic sayings and actions of Jesus in the Bible as follows.Jesus Preached Monotheism….’ O children of Isreal! Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily,whosoever partner with Allah in worship,then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him,and fire shall be his abode.And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers. Q5:72″And this life is eternal,that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent”John 17:3.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala even though the Characteristics u brought here are ur own formulation without evidence from the Qur’an or Hadith, here is a more standard Characteristic of a Muslim according to ur Hadith:Narrated By Ibn ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said: Islam is based on (the following) five (principles):
1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.
2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
3. To pay ZAKAT. (i.e. obligatory charity)
4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
[Sahih Bukhari Vol 1, Number 7]

Let me start with the verse of the Qur’an that u mentioned:…’ O children of Isreal! Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily,whosoever partner with Allah in worship,then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him,and fire shall be his abode.And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers. Q5:72

How can Jesus call Allah his Lord when Jesus CONTRADICT the laws and commandment of Allah?For instance, Allah said that Muslim men will have sex in his Paradise [Quran 3:15][Qur’an 78:33]And Jesus condemn such act in Matthew 22:30.
.HOW THEN IS JESUS ALLAH’S SERVANT?….how is he a Muslim PROPHET

Taoheed Muritala
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Jesus depend and praying to Allah alone…. Isa (Jesus) son of Mary, said :”O Allah, our Lord! Send us from the heaven a table spread with food that there may be for us…Q5V114.”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,saying, ‘Eli Eli, lama sabachthani?(My God,My God,why hast thou forsaken me?)Matthew 27:46.

Korede Olawoyin
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Secondly, u mentioned the Gospel of John, I am very much aware that u did not read that verse before posting it, if u do, u will see how it exposes Islam:We read:“And this life is eternal,that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent”John 17:3———————According to this verse, to attain salvation, there is no NEED to believe in Muhammed! Just believe in Jesus and the Father is enough to grant u salvation.Again I asked, how is this an evidence that Jesus is a Muslim?

Taoheed Muritala
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Then,which God is Jesus is reffering to as ONLY TRUE GOD?has Jesus not declared himself as Prophet by saying and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent?

korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala remember that the topic is not: IS JESUS A PROPHET OR NOT…it is IS JESUS A MUSLIM PROPHET?
you said Jesus prayed to Allah, that’s another BIG LIE..How do the Muslims prays? do Muslims pray the way Jesus CRIED on the cross, is that the way Allah taught the Muslims to PRAY?It is very clear that Jesus ain’t praying to Allah, Allah does not ask Muslims to SHOUT to him when praying..

Now, Taoheed Muritala, if Jesus is a Muslim, how come he did not pay Zakat as outline by the Hadith?

Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,be a professional in analysis.Rules changes from one Prophet to another.The basic feature of a muslim is the total submission to the will of Almighty Allah and we can see that as a Prophet,Jesus proclaimed ONLY TRUE GOD and proclaimed been sent by this ONLY TRUE GOD.IS JESUS LYING ABOUT HIMSELF?

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Hmm.. interesting CONFESSION:”Rules changes from one Prophet to another”Can everybody see this?…Taoheed Muritala where is the evidence for this statement?..and who change the RULES?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede?Cain and Abel made sacrifice while sacrifice is a way of worshipping Allah.Jacob make convenat when convenant is a way of worshipping Allah.David,Solomon,Moses and Jesus makes Prayers when it is only Prayer is the way of worshipping Allah.The commonest features is the confirmation of ONLY TRUE GOD and total submission to His will.And this is what Jesus did,so Jesus is a Muslim Prophet from Qur’an and direct statements and actions of Jesus from the Bible.

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala u are talking about things u know NOT…——————-“Cain and Abel made sacrifice while sacrifice is a way of worshipping Allah.”——————–And where did u get this FROM?…. definitely not from the Bible.

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede, answer this simple question?In Nigeria,from Azikwe to Jonathan is there difference in their functions and roles?

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Interesting concept, the onus is on u to back up your claim from the Qur’an, u are the one that said it, u don’t expect me to DEFEND it for you…do you?

Taoheed Muritala WHEN DID THE RULES changed and who changed it??Evidence is what we want.

If Jesus is a Muslim Prophet, why didn’t he perform Hajj?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,be sincere and answers my questions.
John 17:3 has settled the issue.1.Jesus declared himself as a Prophet(by saying and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent)
2. Jesus declared oneness of Allah by saying ONLY TRUE GOD.
3.jesus stated the mission of Muslim Prophet by saying “they might know Thee,the ONLY TRUE GOD”
4.jesus informed us that eternal life is with those that know ONLY TRUE GOD.
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHUAKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!

Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala you have just CONTRADICTED urself, did Jesus called tell u that you should believe in Muhammed and Allah to be saved according to the verse?Jesus said that u should believe in him and the Father, there is no NEED for Muhammed in the plan of salvation

Here is the equation of the statement of Jesus according to the verse u quoted:
FATHER + JESUS – MUHAMMED = ETERNAL LIFE

Whereas, the Muslim creed is:
ALLAH + MUHAMMED – OTHER PROPHET = ETERNAL LIFE.

Can you see the difference?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,if you can not answer that simple question,here is the answer.They all has the same roles and functions to make the nation grow and stabilize but with different constituition either by addition or substraction or modification but the bottomline is the same likewise the laws from Allah is being modify by Himself from Adam to Muhammad but the bottomline is worshipping of Allah(ONLY TRUE GOD) and avoidance of all false deities.Korede,kindly go through with unsentiment mind and respond well as it is almost time for questions and answers

Caution!,stop lying!no Father in the verse but ONLY TRUE GOD.OPEN YOUR eyes and MIND

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Let me get this debunked right away, you asked me:
—————————-“Korede, answer this simple question?In Nigeria,from Azikwe to Jonathan is there difference in their functions and roles?”—————————
Incase you are not aware, there a something called a CONSTITUTION that guides every leader that assume power. Now, there may be constitutional review times…now, if want to use that as an excuse, u will have a serious problem…we will then ask:DOES ALLAH REVIEW THE QUR’AN ALSO TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPHETS?U have no point there…

You said again:————“Caution!,stop lying!no Father in the verse but ONLY TRUE GOD.OPEN YOUR eyes and MIND”————-
I can’t really laugh hearing this, did u say Father was not mentioned?READ verse 1 and 2 of the chapter of John 17 u quoted:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.DO YOU NOW SEE HE IS REFERRING TO GOD AS TE FATHER?Another of ur lie DEBUNKED!

From that verse goes another question, if Jesus was INDEED a Muslim prophet, why did he call God father?Do Muslims call Allah FATHER?

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede,stop lying.
In Islam there is no disparity among all the Prophets as the six articles of authentic faith are;
Belief in Allah
Belief in His Prophets and Messengers
Belief in Angels
Belief in His Books
Belief in the day of Judgement
Belief in Destiny.
We believe in all Prophets but the message of Muhammad is for this generation till end time
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We believe in all Books but Qur’an is the guidance for us as all the needed Informations from past books are in the Qur’an.All praises is for Allah at the end as I had established that Jesus is a Muslim Prophet from the Qur’an and authentic statements and actions of Jesus from the Bible.

“>Korede Olawoyin
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Taoheed Muritala that is why debate like this is good, u will learn more about ur religion.You said Allah does not make disparity among the prophets, that another LIE:
“Those Messengers! We PREFERRED some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed – some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allah does what He likes. [Qur’an 2 :253]Your Allah said he PREFERRED SOME MESSENGER to others. This show u don’t even know your book

Again, you said u believed in ALL the prophet…that’s another HOAX..Do you believe in Jeremiah, Isaiah, Obadiah and Malachi?

Taoheed Muritala it is very CLEAR from this discuss that Jesus was NEVER a Muslim Prophet…

“>Taoheed Muritala
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Korede? Stop diversion let us be on terrain as agreed upon.bring facts not diversion.Pick another day and topic for all those side attraction

To be continued

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Allah the Editor(part 1)

21 Feb

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by Muzzafar

After srict warning by God against adding or taking words out of God’s word
in revelations 22:18 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book” and in Deutronomy 12:32
“What thing soever I command you,
observe to do it: thou shalt not add
thereto, nor diminish from it.”

Allah/Muhammad did add and (or tried to) change God’s word(Holy Bible).

Eg

1•Allah said that Jesus was not
crucified and did not die on the cross
Even when all evidence says that He did

2•The Qur’an says Adam asked for
forgiveness for eating the forbidden
fruit; the Holy Bible does not record
any request for forgiveness.

3•God’s Holy Bible says that all of
Noah’s family were saved on the Ark;
the Qur’an says one of Noah’s sons
died because he refused to get on
the Ark.

The above examples are just few among many areas which the Muhammad’s Allah expoZed itself by trying to edit God’s word.
There are many more instances•••